The 40 / 40 Pastor's Podcast

Most pastors are told to choose: the pulpit or the marketplace. The 40/40 Pastor's Podcast exists for those who refuse.

If you spend half your life leading a congregation and the other half running a business, building a career, or operating in the marketplace you're not divided. You're deployed. But no one prepared you for this. Seminary didn't cover payroll. Business school didn't cover Sunday morning grief. And most pastor podcasts assume you're fully funded and full-time.

This show is for the leader who preaches on Sunday and negotiates on Monday. For the church planter who's also a contractor, a consultant, a developer, or an entrepreneur. For the bi-vocational pastor who's tired of feeling like a second-class minister and ready to see the dual calling for what it actually is, a prophetic gift to the local church and the marketplace both.

Each month, the 40/40 Pastor's Podcast brings you honest conversations, real stories, and practical wisdom on identity, time, money, ministry, and the gritty beauty of a life lived fully in both worlds.

You don't have to choose. You were made for both.

Contributors

Host

Arthur J. James

Arthur J. James, a native of Dallas, Texas, and is a graduate of Skyline High School. He earned a Bachelor's degree in Hotel & Restaurant Management from The University of North Texas and a Master's degree from Texas Tech University. Arthur gained experience in the hotel industry with companies like Richfield Hotel Management Co., Rosewood Hotels and Resorts, Fairmont Hotels, Hilton Hotels, & Harvey Hotels. He transitioned to teaching hospitality management at his former high school and later at North Lake College from 1999 to 2010. Arthur then moved into administration at North Lake College as the Executive Dean until 2021. He served as the Dean of Business & Technology at Tarrant County College from 2021 to 2024. Arthur has also been a bi-vocational pastor for 30 years and served in various community organizations. He authored "Preaching Through Pain" in 2018. Arthur is married to Patrice, has two adult children, and became a grandparent in 2024.

https://arthurjjames.com/

Guests

Guest

Dr. Kenneth Chapman

Dr. Kenneth Chapman is a bi-vocational Executive Pastor at Life Changing Faith Church in Frisco, TX and Professor at Texas Christian University (TCU) in Fort Worth, TX. He has spent years navigating the demands of academic leadership and pastoral ministry simultaneously, and brings a rare theological depth and real-world wisdom to the conversation about what it means to hold two callings with integrity.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenneth-chapman-jr-ph-d-b4733528/